No wonder why Harvest is in such a mess with leaders like you. (As well as send a message to any possible Dissidents.) I judge not those who remain I truly understand the depth of the manipulation but hope they do not fall victim to the crisis of faith and to the abyss that often follows when all youve built your faith on falls to ashes. This comes after several calls from other people including members and deacons of Harvest Bible Chapel, for them to . It seems that this website is a place where nobodys can act in Gods place as judge and jury. Again, like you, I am aware anew of Gods presence in many different places and people, and recently most poignantly in marginalized communities and people. . Men can be easily fooled, seduced, persuaded that they are doing Gods work, blackmailed, etc. I knew of one really good church in Chapel Hill (Chapel Hill Bible Church) for years ago. Reported that Camp Harvest lost over $200,000 in 2016. This is no different then the very worst of false teachers in 2019. Someday Ill be big enough so you cant hit me Of course, the big jump you and those who make such claims make is from a shepherd/overseer/elder who is to look after, protect and provide for the flock to a paid, authoritarian ruler. The Church of the Living God needs to be on the alert for any ex-HBC executives/elders who served under MacDonald for more than 3 months. I firmly believe we are experiencing another reformation. I am very glad for all your comments on this site. Ive never felt a humbling that felt particularly good, at least short-term. Lord knows we need a fundamental change in the selection of leaders for the Body of Christ and an accountability system in place to keep the charlatans at bay. Yep, 90-days would have been about the right time to bail out before their resume became tainted. , I would disagree. James MacDonald will be starting a new ministry. Bible Follower | The Bible contains a wealth of knowledge and wisdom that's waiting for us to unearth it. . I am sorry that my concerns about the institutional church from day one cause you distress. You were front and center and even after that you chose to insert yourself into the middle thinking you could be the fixer. Dallas failed to mention that Fred Adams, James MacDonald and Luke MacDonald were listed as Producers for one of his film projects. http://churchbuildingministry.org/who-we-are/. Short films include award-winning "The Ride" and. They all were making out pretty large with the tithes of people who thought they were giving to good causes. Clevin: Does anyone have examples of big churches that are emblems of integrity? God is omnipresent and always acting, everywhere, as you find out once youre on the outside. I will try and reign it in. MacDonald pulled Harvest Bible Chapel from the fellowship, breaking the link between the two. Im going to the training for it in a few weeks. And who on this blog doesnt love questions to be answered and truth to be revealed. That said, the bishops, priests, and deacons are supposed to be models of humility and servanthood. Thank you!!!! Although, in a few places in Scripture he paused to advise us that he was speaking about a matter offering his opinion rather than what God was saying. Your newfound joy is where I, too, am seeing Gods fingerprints, and why I am holding out hope that my faith will survive. Once you step out of that or can no longer take part, the machine moves on without you. But one way or the other, my instincts about Hall dont alter my opinion that Dee likely has good reasons to not want to use this forum to air a familys personal tragedy any more. There may be a general principle here, perhaps related to how many people you can know and relate to at a more than superficial level., And the cash flow in a church of 300 is not so large that it is likely to corrupt the leadership team.. You have my phone number,. True repentance requires owning up to all you have done, letting the light of truth in to the dark closets that have been hiding the wicked deeds of the past. Quit trying to privatize and hide in secret that which should be public. I am generally ignorant regarding legal or business matters, but isnt this illegal? Amy Moore, Vincent: It seems that this website is a place where nobodys can act in Gods place as judge and jury. Giving is another way we worship Him and it allows us to demonstrate that He is more important to us than material things. Yeah, thats it self-esteem. Faith Driven Team September 6, 2021 Bio, Christian investor, Voice. Study all 66 books of the Bible at Dallas Theological Seminary. But isnt the model you commented on the same model that HBC followed and totally bollixed up? Max: This is why I was born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the Truth. Bridget: I dont know, Ken. We were seated in the folding chairs with our children, had 6 at the time, the oldest 11, the youngest 2. What makes you think you get to excuse yourself from the table? There were kindergarten through 5th graders AND many of us parents / employees, who did not know it was going to be shown. I mean, how could you be labeled Christian without giving Jesus a little bit of credit?! Its hard to go back when you see what goes on behind the curtain. But its ok its been part of this whole course but it would be nice if you could go back and reflect your motivations in those comments I cant speak for you but kinda think it had to do with some of your cult bonding you experienced at harvest. They deserve each other. One can attempt to form a very egalitarian group where no one is in charge, but it only works until a dysfunctional person makes a power grab. Both Steve Carter and Jenkins waited for public outcry and then expressed their moral outrage.