The Books of annals of the kings of Judah We deserve Dark Age II with its superstitious fear of the supernatural soul and the supernatural religion. I wonder if civility would be improved if we more folks posted under their real names. We ought to follow the example of Jesus, who, face with liars, said, err, um, err said You belong to your father the devil and you willingly carry out your fathers desires. HA! Posted by: CareBear | Aug 9, 2007 10:09:37 PM What gives? Its not a true blog, that part aside, one can email Dr White directly and comments that have come through email are handled by Dr. White or aomin.org staff. (and yes Ive helped them see the difference) Ella, even *if* your claim is true, then it would mean that it was an unable. Is everything in Foxes book of martyrs a mere fabrication? The next Catholic who calls for the beheading of James White will see me join you in denunciation. Hence the frustration. Interesting that White is presents himself as so learned and yet is either unaware of or above basic human psychology. I dont disagree at all. Minimalist tattoo ideas are well-appreciated by those who do not have the experience of getting inked before. 2. The Earlier Epistle to the Ephesians The fact heand his fansare incapable of acknowledging any moral or factual error in dealing with Catholics is why were still at it four days later. Im not going to repeat the argument just for you to ignore it again and waste time. then we can deal with it Is Homosexuality Compatible with Authentic Christianity? Its because they are the ones chosen by the ones chosen by the ones chosen (etc) by Christ. Jimmy, when you take stupid things seriously, you yourself look stupid. In a big way, I think that someone looking for an answer about what the other side thinks should actually go read what the other sides intellectuals have written. If not, why do you read Hebrews, you dont know who it was revealed to at what time without a doubt. My posts have said it. changing your life and your heart in order to be saved. Does Jimmys come with the white cowboy hat? Id like to note something amusing: I have to admit that I was reminded by the saying that if you have to explain the humor, it wasnt funny. By the by, http://www.jameswhite.org for the CA website url? What is the key issue? Reading his post, no such observation is made. Perhaps he can use this not as a tit for tat, but as a chance to expand. Question: if the Bible is 100% Gods Word (as I believe as well), why do we talk about Paul, Peter, Matthew, etc. Would you calmly acquiesce, or would you expect us to provide the basics of the topics that Jimmy covered? If Papal infalliability is true, then why? Perhaps we should simply call you a liar, as you announced you were leaving what, three posts ago? All modern versions Perhaps from your view of theology. It is a big honestly, if your going to be consistant, you need to consistently apply that category error to Edward too, lest your obsession for White be found out. Stubble, My bad for thinking Elivs is dead, the Loch Ness Monster is a fairlytale, and that James White and co. didnt buy up that domain name and redirect it to Catholic Answers. Poor imitator of Our Lord that I am, I remain your servant and brother in Christ, The matter gets even muddier when probing conversions to the majority of Christian denominations which reject OSAS outright or those that go a step further and introduce elements such as liturgy and sacraments. Please quote to me how White has claimed victory via the pictures posted. Some posters may find it hard to believe, but there are a lot of people out there who have sufficiently rich lives such that they might not check blogs for a week or two, or a month, or ever. Technically, the Usenet FAQ on the subject says: The obvious response is to call them on it, say threads over, and declare victory. Now, given what Foxfire was alluding to in the other thread, I can see that it is more than likely that the White disciples were responsible for this deception: It just means that he took a short cut in order to receive the title of Dr. without the usual formation that goes with the typical doctoral program. 3. I believe that both Christie Davies (an Anglican) and the creator of the modern theory of linguistic humor, Victor Raskin (a Jew), both of whom I know, might disagree with me in particulars, but agree in the main. It is an effective way to shut down all communication with your opponents though. The reason that I suspect this takes place is that every time anyone raises a specific argument, White typically says something to the effect of Has he read my argument in this other Book X that I have recommended? or Has he not listened to my debate on X? (see the latest entry slamming what I have written without showing the first bit of knowledge of it). 10:16). I doubt any of this makes any difference, but I thought Id say my peace in the event that maybe Jimmy might see this and try to correct some error I think could rightly be assigned to him. of Mapname.com customer 3 My Reply Youre not making a fat load of sense and youre comming off even more deserate with this one. From my interactions with you, you evidently arent a very rational person. That many people cant all be wrong absent a huge conspiracy and at this point it seems more charitable to believe that White really is rather off-putting than to conclude that all his opponents are in some sort of sinister league with each other. This is regardless of the bare facts of the case. Peter Stravinskas and Bill Rutland should, under penalty of excommunication, never be allowed to interpret the bible publically again, Tim Staples should never be allowed to speak in public,Gary Michuta should do nothing but sit in an infallible silence and on and on. He is a professor with Grace Bible Theological Seminary, and a pastor at Apologia Church. Take care and God bless, I just want to make a quick comment. You cant have it both ways, both definitive and conditional. The counterpart is stunned silent at first. Im assuming that those two lengthy posts are addressed to me even though they say Mary rather than Mary Kay. its history, developmemt, and definition is immaterial Which is practically the exact same argument atheists make when confronted with the fact that atheist states can be nasty. CareBear, While were on the topic of specific examples, please give an example of what you consider to be a personal attack. 1) James White is critical of Dr. Beckwith. Oh, and Daisy, while I appreciate the Biblical quotes, you really need to do two things: Given that Guardian shows up, posts a URL out of the blue, vanishes and four hours later White has an angry post up, it does stink. Wow, Thomas Aquinas? Emmanuel, Pretty much actually. As for using the pictures, at least they have made people think about the meaning of charity in communicating Gospel truth. Name Server: As I mentioned on this thread and on the Amazing. Theres a little too much moral equivalency going on here. The Bible nowhere records that the gift of divine revelation would be lost. It is merely pointing out an anomaly. Ive been trying to explain to you the Catholic position (to the best of my ability, such as it is) on various issues. Your inability and/or unwillingness to consider ideas outside of your own conjecture, St. Paul urged the Corinthians: By the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ that there be no dissensions among you (1 Cor. Dr Beckwith sets him straight. Answered in the White quotes in the most basic, brief, and surface manner. How can you say it is SDGs personal determination when it is you who says it is? Good question, Esau. Instead of requesting that I just go read the book, why not provide the salient points for me? I suppose such a thing fits the logic and attitude of the mob though. Again, you imagine. Paul, You know, irreducible tautologies and such. It seems like the lady doth protest too much, methinks. Esau/Churchcat, Except that Bob also said: So neener, neener, I won and everyone else should back me up. Before anyone knew the state of what God had done (canon mediated), God infallibly knew the current state and content of canon (infallible). He chose many disciples. 7:10,11) That its okay for James White to post pictures of terrorists and make the comparison between these terrorists and Catholics. Speaking of a stubborn man, He said: If he refuse to hear even the Church, let him be to thee as the heathen (Matt. Actions have consequences. Then we dove into Isaiah and Jeremiah for key texts to present Well, I did say it would be an experiment, and, well, it was a failed experiment. So God will providentially preserve the Scriptures and lead His people to a functional, sufficient knowledge of the canon so as to fufill His purposes in inspiring them, and he provide a mechanism for doing just thatthe Church. Actually, could you provide the title of the book??? Rather than engage the *real issues* in this whole debate, such as the arguments Dr. White has presented to Dr. Beckwith against certain Roman Catholic doctrines, everyone has decided to focus on two pictures and a mans character. In fact, had somebody not even mentioned the site on that thread, I wouldnt have even heard about it in the first place. Amen. Hes frustrated. I cant help but think that the average online lay person from both communions will have to take the lead in this matter. For a while I tried to pay close attention to see if White really was being misunderstood, or if his opponents were unjustifiably touchy. So, my question to you is to whom was the Canon divinely inspired? Par for the course. If he wants to blog on a Protestant apologist behaving badly, Ill thank him for the time he saved me now that I know that attempting a rational discussion with Mr. White is a collosal waste of time. Protestant Evangelicals disagree with each other on infant baptism, baptismal regeneration, church government, womens ordination, the sacraments (their number or if there are any), whether one can lose his salvation, whether God is in or out of time, whether God knows the future, whether the Trinity is social or substantially unified, whether Jesus could have sinned, whether or not in the incarnation the Word gave up his divine attributes, eschatology, whether or not covenant theology is correct, monergysm, synergysm, amil, postmil, the Sabbath, premil, post-trib, mid-trb, no-trib, pre-trib, and the perpetuity of spiritual gifts. re: Whites arguments posted by carebeer: I do not need to address any of the theological issues you wish addressed or asked for an answer to in this thread, because neither I nor anyone else was asked to do so in this thread. Where do we see that Pilot and Herod who falsely judged him, the Roman soldiers who executed him, the crowd of witnesses who called, Crucify him!, the leaders who plotted to arrest and try him, or those who falsely testified against him first said, Sorry Jesus.? But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. However, the Bible sets forth a pattern of charity: confronting evil, treasuring prophetic rebuke, valuing- and practicing truthTelling and truthSeeking Late have you come in this debate that has raged over the past decade or so. Is making such a claim excused by someone elses previous claim? Even I, in this post, strayed into personal insult (and I apologize to Dr. White for those), but I will leave them to illustrate my point. Can anyone translate into plain English that gobbledeguck of Whites that was quoted above? Ive listened to James White. Since when is it anyones duty to prove innocence? Note also: Now, on to another topic. We do, we really, really do. Ed, you really need to stop looking in the mirror so much. He is a Pastor/Elder of Apologia Church in Arizona. Also, Im in full agreement with Mr. Donald Casadonte. We are called by God to go beyond the veil of darkness and become what Chesterton calls an outpost of light. J+M+J. Oh, and for the record, I think sockpuppetry, silly parodies and similarly goofy tactics (like people who insist on being called doctor while at the same time using moronic photoshops) have no place in serious debate and/or dialogue. I think history paints a very different picture from the above, and from this point on, I think the other posts on this blog pick up where I leave off. But we do love you, and like Paul, have constant pain in our hearts over the authoritarian blindness that divides us. examine the logical dependencies. Puritan Board Junior. The Acts of Paul As a Protestant, I use them all the time as references. Catholic Wayne- I know that one shouldnt bite to trolls, but you did very well. James White is the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries, a Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona. How horribly uncharitiable we are! If James White thinks this is humorous, he has indeed lost his mind, along with his common sense, and his simple ordinary decency. SOURCE: James White - Wikipedia that, to the weak, I became weak Dr. White, even should he think that Catholics are merely unredeemed fallen human beings, in order not to give scandal to his own ministry, This fellow painted Dr. White an islamic fundamentalist before Dr. White ever made the pictures in question. No, because I dont consider posting pictures in the name of humor a way to win a debate. BTW, if you think you know where he is coming from, perhaps you could delve a little deeper, and explain why he made the insuitations he did about Beckwiths reading the document of the Council of Trent. But in these discussions, when serious questions of historical transformation of dogma over time call into question the truth claims of Rome, and sting the conscience of those who genuinely seek truth, the reaction of throwing the messenger to the dogs while ignoring the message, and then calling that charity, is maddenly frustrating to watch. ill bite again So gracious that I wish we all could model ourselves after that shining example of Roman Catholic apologetics. But its rather annoying when com-boxers ask Why has no one addressed my argument? http://aomin.org/index.php?itemid=2185&catid=7 The Testament of Moses I remember the picture Dave Armstrong put up a while back, a caricature of James White with blood running down his face, it was pretty disgusting and more personal. CB, Sandy, Gwen and the others have a filter through which they view the church, church history, and arguments against the church. Every day someone new stands up wild-eyed and excited that they finally figured it out. Domain ID:D148791841-LROR I can only say, that the spectacle of a man who names the name of Christ, wandering about in a pair of aged boxer shorts, is not one which is inclined to impress anyone. It was at the Council of Rome (382 AD) where the Canon was ultimately decided and subsequently reaffirmed at the Councils of Hippo (393 AD) and Carthage (397 AD). 2. Jorge Just as Mary said. good nite all. Godwins Law holds that the longer an online discussion goes, the greater the odds of someone making a comparison to Hitler. See more ideas about tattoos, body art tattoos, alpha omega tattoo. Jeff is a World Champion martial artist with 5 Black-Belts. *grin*. Someone registered it and then pointed it to Catholic Answers. My best understanding of our teaching is that we are to judge not lest we be judged and to forgive that we too might be forgiven. What's great about the Omega tattoo is that it can be placed just about anywhere. And don't buy into the nonsense from any pastor or Bible college (e.g., Moody Bible Talk about the pictures. The interlocutors then say that they just cant continue the conversation under those True to form, the Alpha and Omega Ministries is a Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona. So you decided for yourself what it says and then decided youd go along with a group that agrees with you. May 13, 2019 - Explore Sam Roberts's board "Alpha omega tattoo" on Pinterest. Jeff co-hostsApologia Radioand Apologia TV, both of which garner followers throughout the US and internationally. I will not argue this point with him. Could Mary/Foxfire actually be right all along??? God did use the church, the gathered body (not later ecclesiastical developments regarding unbiblical structures and positions), as a means to establish widespread knowledge of the canon (mediated) so that Scripture will function as He has decreed it to function. (Mind you, this is a cursory evaluation based on reading the quoted sections while feeding a 9-month old.) No, racial slurs are obviously unacceptable. There were so many other books in addition to those that actually became part of the bible that the Church had to decide which of these formed Scripture. You still havent said anything that hasnt already been said. I ask You Father to comfort my brother Theo, as he enters Your Courts trembling and contrite. I suppose such a thing fits the logic and attitude of the mob though. He seems to be collecting debates like they were knick knacks on a shelf. Barry: Without knowing who linked the jamesrwhite.org website to Catholic Answers, any discussion of why it was done is pure speculation. That would be mundane. English versions! Firstly, Dr. Whites site is a bit behind the times technologically and does not have the ability for comments to be added. So, Eric, you think its just a problem with the medium when hes willing to accuse someone of being a liar, then imply that those who take offense are the same as murderous terror-supporters? They in turn necessitate each other from Gods frame of reference. because the Bible told me to. *see above posts for examples* Speaking of which, I sincerely hope thats not the Ella I know. I dont want there to be confusion. new corrupted Bible versions A name is a label. Dean. I think he made a error in judgement. but white really isnt proving anything and the vitriol (no one can argue the level of hatred) expressed towards You have to expect to encounter such things with fallen human nature what it is. Whats interesting to note is that Jimmy Akin doesnt surreptitiously erase the errors hes made on this blog unlike others Ive observed in the past. It is not like saying we deserve it takes away any of the sting or the feeling of outrage. In the lingo of the blogosphere a troll is someone who has no sincere interest in sharing ideas but only wishes to inject invective in order to anger other posters. in order to be saved. It is the burden of one affirming a positive to prove their case first. The Book of Jehu[14] I cant get worked up over it, although Id like to suggest they all cut it out. He also knew what the Canons status would be at different stages of human time, but that certainly doesnt mean the total Canon was an evolutionary project dependent upon a process of revelation. Like a crazed archer scattering firebrands and deadly arrows Likewise, if you use any statement or general observation, there will be an accusation that the surrounding context somehow excused the gaffe, meaning that one has to literally quote every single piece of the entire article, transcript, etc., in ones answer. Then we are no longer talking about the cannon. This is no different than the heresy (Eric)I respect Akin but I do feel he misdirected people away from the tough theological questions. I wasnt offended. You do not compare your interlocutors to Islamists or portray those who urge charity on your part as if they were advocates of beheading those who disagree with them. We had considered installing blog software that would support comments, but I do not have the time to monitor such a feature to begin with, and unlike Catholic Answers, which has a multi-million dollar budget and a staff at least six or more times larger than our own, the only other staff person does not have time to mess with it either. Mr. White, April 2004. How you went from credit given to the posters here (and the Church) to glory is beyond me. Both shows are available via Apologia Studios. *wonders how long it will take before the latter part of the charity sign is exercised on himself*. And how shall they hear without a preacher? To quote White, yet again; Phoenix, AZ 85069 The brouhaha between the parties is of longstanding. Both images are were created in humor, with the intent of adding some needed levity to the discussion and to point out the similarities between those who call Islam a religion of peace while demanding beheadings and the hypocrisy of those demanding charity in the Beckwith discussion while using the kind of ad hom seen here and the CA boards (as well as the silliness of registering jamesrwhite.org for the CA site.). sorry, I dont know what you mean by Angelwing Consperacy. Lynchburger: I think Jimmy Akin is a brilliant thinker and he can articulate deep and c omplicated subjects in a way that even I can understand. It simmers in the background and bubbles up every so often. Christ said: As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it remain on the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in me. I dont get outraged over those, either (and again, White often deserves being poked fun at). of Mapname.com customer 3 Any other fallacious statements or can I get back to something fruitful? Go figure. So we cant just sit back with the radical Muslim theme itself but have to flow with the artists changes as well. Lets just say certain quarters will be talking after this program! Thanks for taking the time to make things clear! one King James Bible Only preacher who teaches Lordship Salvation. w00t! Sacralism is a paradigm of absolute unity between church and state that could not, would not distinguish between material, institutional trappings of human magesterial authority and the spiritual realities of the heavenly kingdom. Westcott and Hort modern He is a moron not of necessity (for that would not be something to be held against him), but rather a moron of convenience. I am one who in fact still holds a debt against someone who once intentionally did me great harm and never repented. Jeremiah, from Columbia Evangelical Seminary (formerly Faraston Seminary). Gee, CareBear, werent you paying attention to my comments??? That would be mundane. When I want your opinion, Ill go to Whites blog. According to you, Carebear was proclaiming someones innocence. Thats all well and good, but the artist who changed the picture changed the story in so doing. Im ignoring the facts So anyone who tries to portray critics of the Lordship Salvation Lamech You have a different (although overlapping) list of books that you say was divinely inspired. Our younger followers may have even seen him as a fighter in MTVs The Final Fu. Sorry, 2nd not 1st Corinthians. Yesterday I posted two pictures that any rational person knows had one point and one point only: it is hypocritical to rant and scream and threaten in religious matters while claiming to be charitable and peaceful. Purgatory, as defined by Rome today? )to construct a remotely persuasive argument. Might be time for some kind of update to these. White is the director of Alpha Soon as White says Look, Im sorry Ill be cool with im. refusals by his opponents to address his unassailable points. Bill said: White then argues that the clarity of the Canon (mediated) is not dependant upon human beings, councils etc. Luther? BTW: I was demonstrating absurdity by being absurd. shes perfectly on topic. Thank you, Constantine. and a D.M. I praise You Lord Jesus and magnify Your Name above all names. Oh yeah, I do remember JW being quiet upset at the depiction of him on DAs blog. Reality. For one, it can appear as a negative point against these folks; secondly, it places too much importance on the likes of James White. What about Lutheranism? Are. And I dont have time to go further, but perhaps someday Stop twisting things. 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